Yes I have a complex of becoming too serious if anyone have a biased opinion for entire country which may be because of few individuals or few cases but donkeys are in each corner of the world. It is infact better to have a complex of being serious rather than forming such opinion based on isolated cases.


Konrad,

What do I need to call this??? any way I am not going to form any opinion for your fellow country peoples based on one individual.

Michael/ Moderator;
I am sorry for such postings but can not resist myself from replying such derogatory comments. Anyway coming back to technical part of the original question;
Can we indicate design code XYZ on the equipment tag plate (not ASME plate)?? So far I have seen all the equipment tag plate indicate design code whether the equipment was fabricated in India or US or else where and irrespective of code stamping requirement. Is't it similar to all the valves or other items tag plate where desig code or code of construction is indicated on the item tag plate.

this thread show the true of people lived all around the world/

dont say too much ugly words, because there are good and bad people and entity internal or internaltion.

We ONLY want to check the code requirment to help people to solve problem/



all problem arise from MONEY. HAHA

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Paul Wei

Sanjeev, I apologise if you find my words anti-national. I was in India couple of times at work and I liked it. The attitude of people was very serious about what they do, hearts and minds really burning to achieve. I didn't mean what you unterstood. Yes, it was biased. Against american idea of made in USA=excellent in any way. Things like irony or sarcasm may be hard to express and catch in a foreign language (English is not my native).
Regards

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Konrad Anikiel

Let us leave the linguistic subtleties for a moment aside and read what the Code says to the intention to use the word "ASME" on a nameplate of a non-stamped item in the Statement of Policy (Konrad mentioned it before):

If you want to know what the Code says: that´s the answer. If you ask if you are allowed to write ASME on your nameplate inspite of this prohibition: not by the Code. Ask yourself if you want to follow the Code rules.

Michael

Michael, I don't want to go against the Code rules.
I opened this topic because every day many EPC from all over the world (also US Engineering Societies) asks us equipments designed according to ASME VIII Div.1 but not stamped as they will not be installed in US, and they want declared on item nameplate (not on Fig. UG-118 ASME nameplate) the design code used.

In conclusion only ASME U-Stamp vessels should exist all over the world as the real meaning of Statement of Policy is that only U-Stamp vessels are assumed to be constructed according to all the requirements of the Code.
No way to use the Code and to declare this usage with non-stamped vessel.

Giuseppe

Giuseppe, that's all understood, and however daft it may sound, ASME have their right to restrict the usage of their trademark. On the other hand, why would you need this to be put on the vessel, not just in papers? It doesn't make your vessel better, does it?

IKEA put the designer's name on anything they sell, how about putting the designer's name on a pressure vessel? Or the welder, or perhaps a dedication to youe wife...

And one more thought: SecVIII-1 is not only about designing. It has provisions for material procurement, inspection, testing, manufacturing, even rounding of numbers. Are you sure that somebody who doesn't certify the product for compliance with ALL requirements follows all of them but one? From practice, I can bet there's more than one.

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Konrad Anikiel

ASME is jurisdictional requirement for installing a vessel in US and hence vessel has to be necessarily stamped.

For installations outside US , use of ASME is not a jurisdictional requirement .Customers are going to decide whether they need stamping .

For instance ASME is widely used in Indian market and vessels are not stamped. Design basis is shown as ASME sec xxx etc. in the name plate . Vessels are inspected by "Third Party Inspection Agency" and accepted by customers .

From the
STATEMENT OF POLICY
ON THE USE OF ASME MARKING
TO IDENTIFY MANUFACTURED ITEMS
Markings such as “ASME,” “ASME Standard,” or any
other marking including “ASME” or the various Code
Symbols shall not be used on any item that is not constructed
in accordance with all of the applicable requirements
of the Code.
(I remind that application of the Code stamp is one and the most important of the Code requirements)

That's all friends. ASME is proprietary of the logo or brand and has the right to write and ask to respect some conditions to the use of its brand.
Please shake your hands as friends. Attention to the sarcasm, this is a worldwide opened forum and we all have our sensitivity and our traditions and pride, different each other.
All the best.
Mauro

We should have respect for all the countries and all human beings...I hope we will not see such kind of wordings in future in this forum.

Gentlemen,

Please read from the Code week meeting.

At the upcoming Code week in Washington DC the ASME Staff will report to the Boiler & Pressure Vessel Committee on an action approved by the Standards & Certification Board of Directors to change the ASME Conformity Assessment Mark from its current 25 BPV Code Symbol Stamps to a single product certification mark. The major driver behind this change is that in order to fully protect the marks, ASME would need to register marks in the more than 100 countries in which stamped equipment is used. The use of a single mark will allow ASME to register one mark in these countries thus making it easier to afford greater protection of a single mark rather than lesser protection for multiple marks.

The proposed schedule for implementing the move to a single ASME certification mark will be publication in the 2011 Addenda to the Code. There will be a transition period during which a Manufacturer or Constructor would be able to use either one of the applicable 25 current marks or the single mark. Use of the single mark would then become mandatory on January 1, 2013. There will be a policy statement in the front of the Code books describing this transition period and an implementing Code Case in both the BPV and Nuclear Code Case Books.

To implement this, changes will be required to the paragraphs dealing with certification by stamping in each of the BPV Construction Codes. So that the rules and verbiage of the proposed action may be uniform and consistent across all the Construction Codes the ASME Staff has prepared an initial proposal for each affected section of the Code. These proposed revisions will be approved in the established manner, i.e., standards committee approval, board approval, public review and publication in the 2011 Addenda. The following record numbers have been established on C&S Connect with the staff proposed revisions:

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