Hi everybody,
our pressure vessels manufacturer, with reference to some non U-stamp vessels that he has to supply, is saying us that

Because the vessels are not U-Stamp, even if the design is performed in accordance with ASME Code rules, it is forbidden to indicate the term “ASME” on the nameplates.. We propose to be marked “Sect VIII Div.1” only.

It is really forbidden by ASME Code to use the "ASME" term in nameplates if the equipment is not stamped and if yes is there another way to declare that an equipment meet the requirement of ASME VIII Div.1 (even if is not stamped)?

Thank you all
Giuseppe

Giuseppe, I recently made a list of SecVIII-1 requirements which are not followed when you don't U-stamp. More than 50 items long list. Three pages with a short comment, as it was an internal design policy. And yes, you can't pretend that ASME is anything to do with such a pressure vessel. When you're just using a subset of provisions, cherry-picked from SecVIII-1, don't call it "in accordance with ASME Code rules". You can't even say so with a "some" in the middle

Just in case you really need a code reference: SecVIII-1, page xxvii, Statement of policy on the use of ASME marking to intentify manufactured items, 2nd paragraph.

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Konrad Anikiel

It is really forbidden by ASME Code to use the "ASME" term in nameplates if the equipment is not stamped and if yes is there another way to declare that an equipment meet the requirement of ASME VIII Div.1 (even if is not stamped)?

Thank you all
Giuseppe
Hi everybody,
our pressure vessels manufacturer, with reference to some non U-stamp vessels that he has to supply, is saying us that

Because the vessels are not U-Stamp, even if the design is performed in accordance with ASME Code rules, it is forbidden to indicate the term “ASME” on the nameplates.. We propose to be marked “Sect VIII Div.1” only.

It is really forbidden by ASME Code to use the "ASME" term in nameplates if the equipment is not stamped and if yes is there another way to declare that an equipment meet the requirement of ASME VIII Div.1 (even if is not stamped)?

Thank you all
Giuseppe

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:55 am

Giuseppe,

You cannot stamped your vessel ASME! That is similar to counterfeiting.

leem817

But this is how pressure vessels are 'fabricated' in India.

Post subject: Re: Non U-Stamp vessel

But this is how pressure vessels are 'fabricated' in India.

Ratham,

This need to be reported to ASME in New York for gross violation of ASME trademark.

leem817

I have a lot of pressure equipment on my project from all across the globe and irrespective of requirement of code stamping, design code is mentioned as ASME Sec XXX Div XX on the name plate.

Can't have ASME tag plate if equipment is not code stamped but on a normal equipment tag plate I have everytime seen mention of design code. If it is prohibited then even New York fabricator to be reported to ASME few miles away.

Yeah, but this is just a minor glitch, because it's "Made in USA with pride". Indians are the REALLY bad guys, they have to be given a tough lesson!

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Konrad Anikiel

Konrad,
but according to this policy if an item is constructed according to all applicable requirement of the Code, manufacturer can use the term "ASME" and I don't think that ASME Code oblige to mark with U-Stamp every item that is contructed according to ASME Code. Therefore if a manufacturer design and manufacture an item following all the applicable rules of ASME Code, he should be allowed to mark on nameplate that the item is designed according to ASME VIII Div.1, even if U-Stamp is not requested.

All points of view are appreciated.
Thanks and regards
Giuseppe

I´m sorry, however, one Code requirement is that the item is marked with the U-Stamp.
Michael

read UG-115(a).

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Konrad Anikiel

But this is how pressure vessels are 'fabricated' in India.


No wonder the regulators , enforcement authorities and inspectors in US are vigilant for the counterfeit ASME Code products coming out of from bad actors in Asia.

There is no way that a non-code stamped pressure vessel can be installed in any States of US since this first tha the State Inspectors or Insurance Inspectors were looking for " Code Stamped" nameplate.

The USNRC through their website published counterfeit products tried to enter in the nuclear market and were caught during receiving and prior to installation and again majority are coming from bad actors Asia.

leem817

"Yeah, but this is just a minor glitch, because it's "Made in USA with pride". Indians are the REALLY bad guys, they have to be given a tough lesson!"

Konrad;

I do not think any professional will use such language but I am not surprised to see it from people like you who are having a complex of superiority in the name of pride.

Any way all the best for you.

Leem,

So far I have not seen even a single equipment in India where 'U/ U2' stamp was stamped even if the equipment is not code stamped. I think the earlier post was misunderstood with a normal practice of indicating design code on equipment tag plate which is not ASME tag plate.

Sanjeev

That was meant to be sarcasm, but apparently people like you have a complex of being too serious...

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Konrad Anikiel

Gentlemen, calm down,

@leem
Not every vessel without Code symbol is of necessity a bad vessel. Very often the user asks for a vessel, not istalled in the US but designed and fabricated (not constructed ) according to the Code. If they made good experience with an non stampholder, maybe they ask them for an offer. Sometimes even stampholders build vessels without U-Stamp, of course not for the US, but if the customer has no need for the stamp. Maybe they have special requirements which cannot be met when applying all Code rules, since this special design is simply forbidden. There are a lot of reasons why a vessel can be ordered and designed according to the Code rules, but not stamped. And these can be good vessels from good manufacturers. It doesn´t mean automatically that the manufacturer wants to counterfeit.

@Guiseppe
I do not like non-stamped items fabricated more or less according to Code. This means always troubles, because very often the customer´s and manufacturer´s expectations on how much Code rules should be met are different. If the vessel is U-stamped, you know what you have to do and what you will get. (That´s the theory behind it ) Moreover an Inspector will take care. Very easy, less trouble, but a little bit more expensive (in case of troubles much less expensive).

@Rathnam
Really, ASME is their trademark and shall not be used, even if some people do.

@Akonrad
I thought you were ironic. Sarcasm is: Guys, stop talking, if you want to get a really good vessel just order in Germany.

Michael

Well, I have seen a vessel made in States, installed in Europe, CE- marked, but I am sure that 97/23 was violated. Some people judge on singular examples, some on statistics...

PS Michael, sarcasm would be if it was a tank from Germay Meaning a pressure tank, of course...

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Konrad Anikiel